BEHDINAN – Hozat stated that on the 100th anniversary of the Republic and Lausanne, the PKK was eliminated, the Kurdish people were subjected to genocide and they wanted to redesign the Turkish nation system. is important in this respect. But the corresponding social resistance does not develop much. It does not turn into a total resistance. In Rojava, the people are constantly standing, in Europe our people are constantly standing, there is a certain resistance in Bakur, the same in Rojhilat, the people in Bashur are furious at these genocidal policies, but this does not turn into a social resistance. If it turns, it creates a great pressure on the world states that approve of this genocide, it exposes the Turkish state much more and overthrows the AKP-MHP.
The isolation against Kurdish People’s Leader Abdullah Öcalan continues. The CPT also made a statement regarding its last Imrali visit. The Kurdish people and their friends reacted to the isolation all over the world. How do you evaluate the isolation and the actions against it?
First of all, I salute Leader Apo’s resistance. It has been displaying a glorious resistance for 24 years. A multi-faceted war is being waged against Leader Apo. Imrali is a torture system. This is not isolation for the last 5-6 years. There has been a terrible isolation, oppression and torture in Imrali for 24 years. This practice includes the CPT, the EU, the Council of Europe and the ECHR. They have been in a two-faced policy from the very beginning. They know everything that is going on in Imrali. They are responsible for Imrali. Imrali is an international system. The USA, England, Germany established the system. In general, western countries are responsible for this system. The USA, England and Mossad captured our leadership and handed it over to Turkey. Turkey was also given the role of guard. Turkey also applies a torture system in Imrali. The entire Kurdish community in the person of İmralı,
It is a complete fascism practiced in Imrali and it has spread all over Kurdistan, Turkey and the Middle East. All of the international powers know what is going on in Imrali. Recently, the CPT visited İmralı and said that we will announce a report in 6 months. Why are you explaining after 6 months? A 6 later he will ask for an explanation from Turkey. It was 1 year. They are gradually extending this period. They talk about the fact that they have been giving disciplinary punishments for more than 2 years. They do not allow lawyers and families to go to İmralı. Disciplinary action is a very deliberate, planned policy for not enforcing international law. It is being developed with the knowledge and approval of international powers. Therefore, it is an international policy.
Our people have been developing very strong protests and reactions against this for years. Leader Apo’s physical freedom has entered the agenda of all peoples of the world. It has become a serious demand. This should continue more strongly. If we do not put serious pressure on the international powers, if we do not include their friends, democratic public opinion and all non-governmental organizations, and if we do not create a serious reaction, their hypocritical policies will continue. Based on this policy, Turkey continues to wage this genocidal war on the Kurds, centered on Imrali. This two-faced policy of the West, in a way, means to approve the policy of genocide against the Kurds. The policies implemented on the leadership are not independent of these genocidal policies against the Kurds. These policies are spreading from Imrali to the whole of Kurdistan and society. Leader Apo is the leader of a people, millions accept him as their will. Not only the Kurds, but also the democratic society of Turkey, the peoples of the Middle East and women accept Leader Apo as their leader.
R Ê BER APO IS PRISONER ON BEHALF OF HUMANITY VALUES
We must fight against the isolation strongly. The Gemlik walk was important. Lawyers in the Middle East and Europe made statements, there were requests for applications, these are important. We need to carry out these studies even stronger. Again, the concert given in Italy was important. Everyone should support Leader Apo. Because Rêber Apo is a prisoner in the name of human values. Leader Apo’s struggle raises people’s awareness, makes them strong-willed, and opens the eyes of humanity. For this reason, they are afraid of the Leader’s thoughts, that a word will go out and that it will be reflected in the society. Because they know that every word of them creates a serious enlightenment, awakening, resurrection and resistance in the society. This shakes their power, shakes the system, and dissolves modernity. For this reason, they all cooperated and put this oppression-torture system in İmralı.
That’s why we need to strengthen this struggle for the physical freedom of Leader Apo. The Council of Europe also plays theatre. For this right of hope, they gave an initiative to Turkey. After 24-25 years, they said that if you look at Abdullah Öcalan’s condition, if he shows good behavior, maybe, if he doesn’t, it may not be implemented. That’s why Turkey has been consciously giving disciplinary punishments for more than two years. By that they mean it doesn’t show good behavior. In order not to apply the right of hope to the Leader, they are trying to establish the legitimate ground with these disciplinary punishments. They are carrying out such a dirty policy with each other.
Just as our people have failed this concept until now, they can again fail with our struggle, ensure the physical freedom of Leader Apo, and completely liquidate the genocidal plan against the Kurds. This is only possible through struggle, we cannot physically liberate Leader Apo, we cannot eliminate the Kurdish genocidal plan by expecting this or that. We will defeat all this only by struggle. That’s why we must develop a strong struggle for the physical freedom of Leader Apo, especially in Bakur, Turkey, four parts of Kurdistan and in every field outside the country.
WE WILL NOT REMOVE IT IF WE DO NOT RESIST TOTALLY
For more than two years, a strong struggle has been waged on the axis of “Dem dema azadiyê”. The guerrilla is currently carrying out its most basic leg. There is also an important resistance of our people, but it is insufficient, it is interrupted, it becomes routine and normalized after a certain period of time. It shouldn’t be like that. Just as it is a process of existence and non-existence for the fascist Turkish state, it also has a historical significance for the Kurdish people. Because the old balances in the region have collapsed, the political balances of the 21st century have been destroyed, their systems have been disintegrated, the system is being redesigned, the balance of the 21st century is re-formed in the region under the conditions of the 3rd World war, the Turkish state is a total war and genocide in order to prevent the Kurds from gaining political status in this 21st century. running policies. There is a policy of genocide with all its physical, cultural, ecological and economic aspects. If we cannot develop a total resistance against it, this process will not remove it. This has to be overcome.
Leader Apo has had a glorious struggle for Turkey’s democratization for decades, and he is paying the price for it. One of the main reasons why he is in Imrali is the result of his struggle to democratize Turkey. In other words, Turkish rulers do not want Turkey to be democratized and liberated. They do not want a democratic republic, a democratic state. They do not want the Kurdish question to be resolved on a democratic basis. Because they keep themselves in power by pitting peoples against each other, by clashing them with each other, by making them hostile, by developing racist nationalism over the insolvency of the Kurdish question.
The struggle of the leadership and the Kurdish people for years has revealed a very serious level of development in Turkey. It gave courage, willpower and self-confidence to the forces of democracy. The leadership has been fighting this struggle in Imrali for 24 years. The leadership’s struggle to democratize Turkey in Imrali is a struggle for freedom. Democracy is resistance. AKP-MHP fascism and the bourgeois opposition do not want this either. In Turkey, they have been in power for years with anti-democratic laws. That’s why everyone should own the leadership. Because Leader Apo is fighting for everyone’s liberation. Turkish society, democracy forces, intellectuals, artists and politicians need to embrace Leader Apo in the strongest way possible. Leader Apo’s struggle is just and legitimate in every aspect.
INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS ALSO COMMIT HUMANITY CRIME
HPG BİM announced its 6-month war balance sheet. The next day, the identities of 17 guerrillas who were killed with chemical weapons were revealed. They were images showing the brutality of the war, the crime against humanity. Guerrilla resistance also has a reflection on the social sphere. In this sense, how do you evaluate the guerrilla resistance and its reflection on the social sphere?
There is a magnificent struggle over 6 months. There is a terrible war. The fascist Turk does not recognize any international law. The Turkish state is a member of the Council of Europe and a member of the UN. It has signed many international conventions. All chemical weapons are banned in these contracts, but the Turkish state does all kinds of practices except the law of war, despite signing the contracts. Neither the Council of Europe’s voice is heard, nor the UN’s voice, nor the EU, nor the USA, which has been the so-called apostle of democracy. The Turkish state is waging such an unlawful, inhuman war, committing crimes against humanity. But no one is listening. They have an extremely hypocritical attitude based on economic and political interests. I condemn the attitude of these forces.
In front of the eyes of the world, Kurdish children will be martyred group by group with chemical gases and they will not make a sound. There is so much data, there is proof, there are images, there are so many documents regarding the quality of each gas. He was also taken to the OPCW; These are supposedly an international organization that carries out the fight against chemical weapons. No attitude, no attitude. Everyone watches the genocide of the Kurds, remains silent, and in a way gets involved. They are also committing crimes against humanity. In this respect, our people should break the apocalypse. I also criticize the attitude of the people. These young people who were martyred with chemical gases, tactical nuclear and forbidden weapons are the children of this people. They are also their most precious children. They joined this struggle because they were elite. If they had preferred a simple life, they would not have come and entered this struggle in these difficult conditions. These sons of this people are for the freedom of the people, It is fighting for its political status, for a free Kurdistan, for peoples to live together on a free and democratic basis. They are putting their lives on the line. There is no serious social reaction either. Almost everyone is in a spectator position. One thinks that the guerrilla and the Turkish state are fighting, the guerrilla will win this war, let’s wait and see the result, let’s live comfortably according to the result. This won’t happen. This is extremely embarrassing. While saying this, I am not saying that our people do not struggle, do not resist, do not pay any price, this would of course be a great injustice. This struggle did not come to this day only with guerrilla resistance. It has come to this day with the glorious resistance of the people, its struggle, and the heavy prices it inflicted. As a result, the martyrdom of the children of this people and the fact that tens of thousands of them are in this struggle is a result of the struggle of this people. These people are raising these children. There is such a strong patriotic tradition among the Kurds, they also have a stance. There has been popular resistance for years, but the stage of the struggle is different. Now the stage of the struggle is the peak. The Kurdish question has now reached its final stage.
ANGRY DOESN’T TURN INTO SOCIAL RESISTANCE
This problem will either be resolved on a democratic basis, or it will be solved. These people will either attain or attain their political status in the 21st century. The opposite situation means a policy of genocide that goes back hundreds of years. There is no such thing as a Kurd. They finish off the Kurds, the rest are doomed to an animal life. The danger is here. The Turkish state is saying that in the 21st century, we will finish this job on October 29, 2023. Every day, that lowly Nobleman gives a date every year; This is the policy of the Turkish state. On the 100th anniversary of the Republic and Lausanne, they want to eliminate the PKK, to massacre the Kurdish people and to redesign the fascist Turkish nation system. They will announce this on October 29, 2023; is important in this respect. But the corresponding social resistance does not develop much. It does not turn into a total resistance.
In Rojava, the people are constantly standing, in Europe our people are constantly standing, there is a certain resistance in Bakur, the same in Rojhilat, the people in Bashur are furious at these genocidal policies, but this does not turn into a social resistance. If it turns, it creates a great pressure on the world states that approve of this genocide, this exposes the Turkish state much more, and it overthrows the AKP-MHP. It is already in the process of collapse. It sustains itself with the racist-nationalist mob. The resistance of the guerrilla against this is admirable, flawless, nothing to say. The enemy has bombed the guerrilla with tanks and planes ten thousand times, what force can withstand it? If a state had been under such a comprehensive attack, the life of that state would have been a week, and that state would not have remained in the middle. Look, ISIS attacked, Iraq disintegrated; Syria disintegrated, what has become? The Turkish state uses all kinds of NATO techniques, all kinds of forbidden weapons; Despite this, the guerrilla has been in a magnificent resistance for more than 6 months. The people, from 7 to 70, must stand up against this atrocity.
KDP PREVENTS WAR CRIMES FROM EXPOSAL
Another dimension of these attacks is the collaborative-betrayal line. The Turkish state would certainly not dare if it were not for the approaches, politics and practices of the collaborative-treasonous line that legitimizes these genocidal attacks of the Turkish state. The guerrilla cannot use chemical weapons, tactical nuclear weapons, thermobaric bombs. The collaborative-betrayal line offers all kinds of possibilities. He legitimizes it politically with his statements and speeches. They say that the Turkish state, the AKP-MHP, has a problem with the PKK, not with the Kurds. The PKK is the sons of this people.
So KDP, what are you doing? You are collaborating, you are betraying, you are offering the values of this people to the fascist and racist Turkish state. You are selling to AKP-MHP. You are killing the most distinguished and precious children of the Kurds. You legitimize this massacre in the world. One of the reasons why the international powers remained silent about these attacks is because of the KDP’s stance. The KDP’s stance justifies these attacks. On the other hand, they are already together on the field. It builds roads, bases, logistics, all kinds of ammunition, supplies, soldiers, carries the wounded, treats, intervenes, gives clothes to the Turkish state. This is how Turkish soldiers go to places they can’t go. The KDP somehow exploits the existing sensitivity so that there is no civil war. By exploiting this sensitivity of the movement, the KDP is doing all kinds of filth. Therefore, this attitude of the KDP is also that of being a partner in the genocide attacks. A very strong reaction should arise in the Kurdistan public opinion on this issue, too, but it is weak.
They said that we have seized so many masks in Duhok. Let’s say those masks were going to the guerrilla, why are you confiscating the masks? For example, if those masks were in the hands of the guerrilla, perhaps there would not have been so many martyrs. The delegations want to go to the areas where these weapons are used, they do not allow the delegations. A delegation came, and there was a serious international reaction. It turned out that it was being exposed, and it allowed the delegation to Amediyê to prevent the exposure. The delegation wanted to go to the battlefield, that is, to the area where chemical weapons were used, but did not allow him to go. The delegation had to return to Sulaymaniyah from Amediyê. They also have a lot of data. KDP is not letting it be revealed. Who knows what he does or says in the diplomatic field. It conducts a very active diplomacy.
What does the KDP gain from this?
It fills more pockets. By basing itself on Turkey in this way, the KDP keeps the family power alive, adds money to its money, and develops more capital. As we have said before, they have made many investments in the Gulf countries, the USA and Turkey. It is marketing the values of Kurdistan and the people, trying to strengthen the family power and capital and to keep itself alive. He already made Bashur a province of Turkey; He will be the governor himself.
BÊRÎTAN’S ATTITUDE CREATED THE IDENTITY OF THE WOMEN’S ARMY
Martyr Bêrîtan’s martyrdom anniversary is approaching. Today, the guerrillas fighting in Zap, Avaşîn and Metîna are led by the YJA Star guerrillas resisting on the line of martyr Bêrîtan. What would you like to say about the anniversary of Martyr Bêrîtan’s martyrdom?
First of all, I greet all resisting comrades with respect and love. They are really fighting a very honorable fight. It is a very honorable struggle on behalf of the Kurdish people, on behalf of the people of the Middle East, on behalf of humanity. I heartily congratulate all of them. Command and fighter structure of YJA Star-HPG. At the same time, I commemorate 17 esteemed comrades with respect and gratitude. With great respect, love and gratitude, I commemorate all of our friends who were martyred in this resistance in Zap, Metina, Avaşîn and all Medya Defense Zones for the last 6 months. I bow respectfully before their memory. They were engraved with honor in the history of Kurdistan and humanity. Of course, the war continues, AKP-MHP will continue this war even more. They need this.
This month is the month of international conspiracy and heval Bêrîtan’s martyrdom anniversary. He was martyred by resisting in the genocidal war waged by the Turkish state and KDP against the guerrilla on October 25, 1992. Our people know his story. He threw himself from the cliff in order not to fall into the hands of the collaborator-traitor KDP, and not to surrender in a wounded way. This is a great action, a line of resistance. Over this, women’s army developed. The women’s army took its character and identity from the resistance line of Bêrîtan. Comrade Bêrîtan’s stance and attitude against surrender and betrayal formed the character and identity of the women’s army.
Today, if the guerrilla is resisting in such a glorious and honorable way in Zap, Avaşîn, Metîna and all of Kurdistan, this enthusiasm develops on the legacy of Bêrîtan. This resistance is one that develops along the lines of Bêrîtan. Now, as in 92, the fascist Turkish state and collaborator-treacherous forces are fighting against us together. And now the guerrilla is in the same resistance stance. It doesn’t surrender, it shows an honorable stance. It is a selfless stance from head to toe. This can never be taken lightly. This resistance is based on a great consciousness, will and passion for freedom. This was the berîtan. Bêrîtan’s love of freedom, his passion for freedom enlarged this struggle and brought it to where it is today. On this occasion, I commemorate heval Bêrîtan with great respect, love and gratitude. In his line, this struggle will surely lead to success.
Although it is not named in Bakur and Turkey, there is actually an election atmosphere, an election process. Everyone is working towards this as well, but the government also applies intense pressure to tie the hands of the Kurds and the opposition. Against this, the Labor and Freedom Bloc was formed under the leadership of HDP. How do you evaluate these pressures and the developments on the resistance front?
This election is one of the most important in the history of Turkey. The government will do anything to win this election. Its existence depends on this choice. If this fascist government falls, there will be so many crimes against humanity, corruption and theft that it has committed. He will be judged. Most likely, Erdogan cannot afford to stay in Turkey. If Putin stays, he can go to Putin. It is not clear where he will go. Or take refuge in NATO. In this respect, there is nothing he will not do inside or outside to win the election. All kinds of dirty relations will continue to develop. It keeps itself in power with war and Kurdish genocidal policies. This will increase the genocide war even more. Medya will deepen the war in the Defense Zones, it has been preparing for war in Rojava for a long time, it will wage war everywhere.
THERE IS GENOCIDE IN KURDISTAN, THE SOCIAL CRIMEA IN TURKEY
There is also a terrible fascism, oppression and violence in Turkey. Every day, workers and laborers are murdered. The massacre in Bartın was one of the series of massacres committed by the government. There is the Soma massacre; 301 workers lost their lives. Every day, everywhere, two or three collective worker deaths are experienced. Genocide attacks against the Kurds, a terrible economic-ecological slaughter in Turkish society, twice as many in the geography of Kurdistan. There is a genocide in Kurdistan, but there is also a massacre in Turkey. This is very clear. There is also a crime against women. In short, this government has completely destroyed Turkey. He consumed all of Turkey’s resources, stole, robbed, usurped, and destroyed their value. It also destroyed a 100-year-old Kemalist system. That Kemalist state that we know is not there, it collapsed it. Now through this destruction to his own understanding, It wants to build a society according to the paradigm of the nation, it wants to structure the nation-state on this basis. It wants to do this by basing it on the Kurdish genocide, Turkey’s genocide, femicide and nature massacre. This baselessness will build a fascist nation-state system through this destruction. It brought Turkey to this point.
TABLE 6 ENTERS NATIONALISM COMPETITION
It is losing a huge amount of votes. There is a meltdown in their votes. In Kurdistan, the Kurds have already broken away from the AKP. Except for a collaborator-traitor and destitute, no one remained in the AKP. There is a serious indecision rate. As the government itself collapsed, it also brought Turkey into the process of destruction. There is also a godly bourgeois opposition. This is another version of this power. It’s called a 6-way table. They do not have a proper solution plans, projects or policies for Turkey’s problems, especially the Kurdish problem. Because they do not have a democratic understanding, a democratic mentality. Therefore, they cannot develop a democratic policy. So far, they have not made a single serious statement regarding the Kurdish issue. It had no serious programs or policies. If the Kurdish problem in Turkey is not resolved, how will Turkey democratize? Not possible.
The way of democracy in Turkey passes through the solution of the Kurdish problem. So far, this 6-seat table can’t form a single sentence. It cannot come up with a single policy. Because the classical state continues its memorization, it continues with the same codes. There is such a situation here. That’s why the opposition cannot present a situation very different from the government on the Kurdish issue. Since the government knows this, it is constantly loaded from here. In this way, he tries to design the opposition according to his own understanding. It is trying to design the CHP in this way, the IYI Party is already closer to it, it is trying to design other Islamic parties – it is Felicity, it is the Future, it is Deva – on this basis. It brings it to such a point that this 6-way table is also competing with a lot of power for nationalism. There is a handicap.
Therefore, they cannot put forward a stance, a policy and a performance that gives confidence to the Kurds and the democratic society of Turkey. Therefore, the solution is not already in power, but a solution cannot be expected from the existing bourgeois opposition. In that respect, the address for the solution of the Kurdish problem and the problems in Turkey is currently Leader Apo’s democratic nation line, paradigm and democratic politics based on it. They are the forces that carry out democratic politics. This is basically the Labor and Freedom alliance that is struggling. This is the only solution to problems. In this respect, the Labor and Freedom alliance should definitely make itself the main solution force in Turkey, without relying on anyone. It should be a managerial power. It should be able to bring itself to an organization and struggle power that will be included in the administration of Turkey. It has potential.
ALLIANCE OF LABOR AND FREEDOM GROWTH POTENTIAL VERY HIGH
The potential of the Labor and Freedom alliance in Turkey is 60, 70 percent. It is the first power if it can effectively convey itself to the society, introduce it, organize the society on this basis and take action. It has such potential. The values advocated by the Labor and Freedom alliance are obvious. These are the values that Turkish society defends. Democracy, freedom, justice is a democratic law. This is what hurts the whole society. These are the values HDP advocates. It is the democratic union of peoples, their fraternal, coexistence, democratic and equal living. It is a democratic solution to the Kurdish question. These values are the values, principles and needs that the Kurds represent, as well as the demands and values represented and demanded by the peoples of Turkey. In this respect, the growth potential of the Labor and Freedom Alliance is very high. Narrow and shallow approaches must be overcome. This alliance should not be a narrow electoral alliance, this alliance should be an alliance of struggle.
There must be an alliance that will build Turkey on the basis of a democratic and liberal understanding. It should work and fight on that basis. It should be able to explain, embrace and explain itself to the whole Turkish society. They should be able to meet with the public everywhere and express their own understanding. It should be able to express itself to Alevis, to the democratic conservative Muslim section, to the Islamic section, to the non-Muslim, non-Alawite sections – whether it is Christian or Jewish – and to all communities, to be able to convey and meet with these segments. These segments are the base of this alliance. Women and youth are already the main strength, component and pioneer of this alliance. The Turkish Women’s Movement and the Kurdish Women’s Movement are the main alliance power. The Kurdish Women’s Movement and the Turkey Women’s Movement are currently the strongest women’s movements in the region and in the world.
THE ROADMAP MUST TURN INTO ACTION AND PRACTICE
The Democracy and Freedom alliance should not be limited to the alliance of 5-6 parties. This should be able to translate into a general community alliance. There was also a roadmap published on this subject. I care a lot about that map. They put forward a manifesto, but it should not remain on paper, it should be able to turn into action and practice. In other words, everywhere, in a sweat, house by house, street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, person by person, they should work very hard, organize and take action. this struggle is no longer with rhetoric. If the people’s power does not take to the streets, does not take to the streets, if a serious social opposition force and resistance force does not emerge, if this social opposition does not fill the streets, this struggle will not yield results and they cannot win the elections in this way. The way to win the elections is a strong social opposition. Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions filling the streets. 6′ The table with this issue has been carrying water to the mill of this fascist power for years. They are doing everything they can to prevent the society from taking to the streets and spilling it into the squares. The one that will break this is the Labor and Democracy alliance.
This society has the power to overthrow the fascist government. Society is very angry. A strong democratic opposition force has emerged, and there is a social reality that is fed up with, fed up with and hated by the theft, corruption, massacre, genocide, fascism, injustice and lawlessness of this government. The problem is leadership. If this society is led correctly and effectively, this power will certainly not remain. For this, a strong struggle must be waged before the election. It is necessary to develop the leg of action for this. AKP-MHP risks everything, including civil war, in order not to fall from power. A lot of contras, gangs have been organized, trained, under his control for years. All the economic opportunities of the state are in the hands of this government. That’s why it does everything. The way to take power is through struggle, through the streets, through the squares no just by talking.
