BEHDINAN – KCK Executive Council Co-chairman Cemil Bayık, who participated in a special program on Stêrk Tv, made important evaluations on the agenda.
Speaking about the isolation imposed on Kurdish People’s Leader Abdullah Öcalan, Bayık stated that the Turkish state had punished Leader Abdullah Öcalan with legal fraud. Emphasizing that the Turkish state cannot break the bond between the Kurdish people and Leader Apo despite all the pressures, Bayık said that Leader Apo’s ideas are spreading more and more every day.
KCK Executive Council Co-Chair Cemil Bayık pointed out that the AKP-MHP government was entirely responsible for the massacre in Antep and Derik, and said, “This is not an accident, it is a massacre. Our people should not accept those murderers when they come to their condolences, they should be fired. “Our people will accept this. This is not true. This situation is incompatible with patriotism, humanity and moral values.”
Pointing out that the guerrilla is struggling with great difficulties in Zap, Avaşîn and Metina, Bayık stated that the Kurdish people should support the guerrilla. Reminding that the Turkish state is stuck in the face of the guerrilla despite advanced technology, Bayık emphasized that this war will bring the end of the AKP-MHP.
KCK Executive Council Co-chair Cemil Bayık’s interview with Stêrk TV is as follows:
Kurdish People’s Leader Abdullah Öcalan is in a great isolation. Despite this, the agenda in Turkey revolves around Leader Apo. How do you evaluate this situation?
There is a vigil in Strasbourg for the physical freedom of Rêber Apo, a campaign was started by the trade unions in England, hundreds of intellectuals and writers made statements. I hereby greet everyone who stands against the genocidal policy of the Turkish state and fights for the physical freedom of the Leader, and I offer my respects. They are waging a very sacred struggle. Because protecting Rêber Apo is protecting freedom, democracy, peoples and human values. There are many reasons why the isolation against the leadership has been so aggravated. First, they are afraid of Rêber Apo. They do not want their voices to reach the people. Because they know very well how much the Leadership affects the people.
Another reason for deepening the isolation; Leadership is leaving 24 years behind in the dungeon. It’s almost 25 years. According to European laws, the Turkish state must reconsider the punishment imposed on the Leader. In fact, Rêber Apo needs to be taken out of the dungeon. But the Turkish Leadership wants to keep it in prison until the end and destroy it. That’s why they make false claims from a legal point of view. For example, they say “he has committed a disciplinary offence”. The Turkish state must give an answer to Europe by September. The Turkish state also wants to prevent this with these false disciplinary punishments. Our people, especially lawyers, need to understand this very well and seriously consider it. They must thwart the legal frauds of the Turkish state.
No matter what the Turkish state does, it cannot break the Leader’s ties with the Kurdish people, the PKK, the peoples, and humanity. This is not possible. Rêber Apo is now in the hearts of peoples, especially women. It is not possible for the Turkish state to change this. That’s why he’s just deceiving himself. Because Rêber Apo’s ideas and philosophy are spreading more and more each day. Those who fight for freedom, democracy and socialism embrace Rêber Apo more and more every day. Rêber Apo said, “Where my defenses are, there I am.” Rêber Apo’s Defenses are everywhere right now. Everyone who reads and understands Rêber Apo takes care of him. Therefore, more than anyone else, the cadres of this movement should ensure that Rêber Apo’s ideas are further disseminated. Protecting Rêber Apo is protecting the Kurdish people, AKP-MHP fascism,
There was a massacre in Derik and Antep recently, it is called an accident, but it was a kind of massacre. In your statement, you stated that the hostility of the Turkish state to the Kurdish people led to these massacres. It was even reported to the press that it was a third truck. How do you evaluate these events?
As it is known, the Turkish state does not recognize the Kurdish people and carries out a policy of genocide against the Kurdish people. The AKP-MHP government continues its policy of genocide at the highest level. He doesn’t hide it either. He explains to the press how many Kurds he killed every day. The Turkish state, the AKP-MHP government, is not only hostile to the PKK or the Bakur Kurds, but to all Kurds wherever they are. They also see the ongoing World War III as an opportunity for them. They want to take this opportunity to complete the genocide against the Kurdish people. That’s why they put all their resources into use. They tied their fate to the destruction of the PKK and the genocide of the Kurdish people. In order to stay in power, they are making unlimited hostility towards the Kurds.
Just as ISIS is committing massacres, the Turkish state is also doing it. Just as ISIS attacks and massacres people with cars and motorcycles, this is what the Turkish state has done. Great massacres took place both in Antep and Derik. This was not a coincidence, it was done deliberately so that no one should say it was an accident. I take this opportunity to express my condolences to the families of those who lost their lives in Antep and Derik and to our people, and wish a speedy recovery to the injured. The AKP-MHP government is killing people by accident, just like in Derik and Antep, they are killing people by saying “he was sick, he had an accident, he died” in the dungeons. Again, women are killed in many places. Here in Uludere, in Amed, women were brutally murdered. This is how they want to intimidate women and neutralize women’s movements. Massacres against women are not accidental.
THE LIFE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO THE Kurds
Again, as is known, there is a massacre of nature in Kurdistan. Trees are cut down. The geography of Kurdistan is being destroyed. They do not leave a living space to the Kurds. It’s not just about cutting trees. They are destroying all the lives of people, animals. They massacred people who were going on a picnic in Başur, they killed 4 children and injured 11 children in Hesekê a few days ago. All of these children are children who lost their parents in the ISIS attacks. The Turkish state is consciously avenging ISIS. Wherever we look, they attack everything in the name of the Kurds. Not only the PKK, but their targets are Kurds and Kurdistan.
The AKP-MHP government is entirely responsible for the massacre in Antep and Derik. These are massacres, not accidents. Our people should not accept those murderers when they come to their condolences, they should be fired. They will both slaughter our people everywhere, and they will come to offer their condolences, and our people will accept it. This is not true. This situation is incompatible with patriotism, humanity and moral values. In particular, Süleyman Soylu is killing our people every day, he declares it every day. He uses all weapons. He commits a massacre and then comes to our people, no one should accept it. The Turkish state commits crimes every day in Kurdistan. The people must rise up against it every day.
The women killed in Uludere and Amed are the cause of the uprising. Those killed in Hesekê and Iraq are the cause of the uprising. Again, the massacre of nature is the cause of rebellion. Those who fight for democracy and freedom should not accept these and rise up against it. If they revolt, the government cannot carry out such a policy. They pursue this policy because they think they are scaring and intimidating everyone. That’s why not everyone should make an individual account. Freedom, democracy and his country must be accounted for.
The attacks of the genocidal Turkish army against Zap, Avaşîn and Metina continue. The guerrillas are also displaying an epic resistance against these attacks. It is stated that the Turkish army has used more than 1500 chemicals so far. The Turkish state also published a video showing that it used chemical weapons without realizing it. Despite this, they cannot break the resistance of the guerrilla. At what stage is the guerrilla resistance and the war now?
Rêber Apo says that the greatest technique is human. Because he is the person who uses all the techniques. So it’s bigger than technique. We see very well what the leadership said in Zap, Avaşîn and Metina. The Turkish state uses all nuclear, phosphorus, thermobaric and chemical weapons, and reconnaissance planes fly dozens of times every day. They use tanks, cannons, missiles, whatever they have. NATO provides support, Barzani helps in every way, they also use gangs. But still no result. This shows that the guerrilla prepared itself against all the techniques of the Turkish state. That’s why it deals big blows to the Turkish state. The enemy had aimed to occupy all areas in a few weeks and to eliminate the guerrilla.
It is more than 4 months today, but they still cannot take a step forward, they are stuck in the face of the guerrilla. They are having many problems. They even bomb their funerals so that no one would understand. But they also make different propaganda among the people. They say that they have dealt a blow to the guerrilla and are waging a special war. Many soldiers die here, many of which they do not explain. They explain very little. In this way, they want to keep the people’s faith in them alive and they make politics over it. The guerrillas have the dead bodies of the soldiers, and the friends have revealed their names. They even revealed their tags for everyone to believe. They also called on the families to come and get your body. The Turkish state has fallen into this state. The reason why he used so many banned weapons and chemical weapons is because he lost against the guerrilla.
Congratulations to HPG and YJA Star guerrillas. They defend the dignity of the Kurdish people and humanity. They sacrifice their lives for this. They are loyal to Rêber Apo, the guerrilla and the martyrs, they are based on the philosophy and ideology of Rêber Apo, they are in love with the people, freedom, democracy and land. They put up a heroic resistance. Therefore, they are not only heroes of the Kurdish people, but also of humanity. Because they are fighting against fascism and genocide and they are giving their lives. That’s why everyone should band together around the guerrilla and scale up their actions. The entire burden should not be left to the guerrilla. They are already doing their job. Everyone must fight in every field with the spirit of guerrilla resistance. There are some actions now, but they are incomplete. There should be more activites.
THE GUERILLA IS RESISTING RUDE DURING VERY HARD CONDITIONS
Friends in Zap, Avaşîn and Metîna are struggling with great difficulties. Maybe they don’t eat for days, maybe they can’t take a bath for months, they have a gun in their hands, and they resist the enemy’s technique day and night. They deal big blows to the Turkish state. That’s why everyone should see this. Let the guerrilla fight under these conditions, let’s say, ‘We are their comrades, we depend on them’, but let’s not fulfill our duties. Then the opposite situation arises. This must be realized. The tactic of the guerrillas is a new tactic. That’s why it deals big blows to the Turkish state.
We don’t just say this, it is said by those who took part in the Turkish state’s special forces in the past. They confess that the guerrilla has renewed itself, has become very strong, and that we cannot achieve results in this way. This is real. Maybe some of us may exaggerate what we say, but the enemy himself admits that it is so. So there is no exaggeration here, there is truth. Everyone should see this and do their part. Once again, I congratulate the HPG and YJA Star guerrillas, they are doing great heroism. They are an example to the whole world. Everyone gets strength from it.
Guerrilla is currently carrying out tunnel and team tactics. As these complement each other, the Turkish state suffers a coup and fails to achieve results despite its techniques and tactics. That’s why they’re stuck. They don’t know how to get rid of it. That’s why they want to escalate the war in some places. But they don’t get any results either. Where they want to get rid of, they sink further, they receive more blows. That’s why a great war is being waged. This war will bring the end of AKP-MHP. The forces fighting against fascism should take this fact as the basis. They should see the guerrilla’s struggle as their own struggle and fulfill their duties.
You mentioned how tough the war was. Guerrilla also announced its 4-month war balance sheet. According to the balance sheet, 1871 invaders were punished and 84 guerrillas were martyred. Tactical nuclear and chemical weapons were used 1532 times. How do you evaluate the final stage of the war?
Our headquarters is already constantly releasing balance sheets. We can understand the extent of the war from these balance sheets. The Turkish state has suffered great blows in this war. The guerrilla also has a martyr. But when we compare, the loss of the guerrilla is not much compared to the war being waged. This is the result of the guerrilla’s struggle against the enemy’s technique. The guerrilla both inflicts few casualties and inflicts great blows on the enemy, thus nullifying his technique. The peoples who are fighting for freedom can draw many conclusions from the resistance in Zap, Avaşîn and Metîna. They shouldn’t fight like they used to, because they can’t get results that way. However, if they can draw conclusions from Zap, Avaşîn and Metina and train themselves, they will continue their struggle for democracy and freedom against the occupation very comfortably.
The situation is not the same as before, the capitalist system has developed technical and tactical changes. They especially developed against the guerrilla so that they would no longer be a freedom force. HPG and YJA Star guerrillas are also fighting against the enemy with new tactics. That’s why the Turkish state can’t get results despite the help of NATO, Barzani and the use of chemical weapons. The friends fighting in the Medya Defense Zones set an example not only for this movement or the Kurdish people, but for all humanity. Maybe they are carrying out this struggle under very difficult conditions, with impossibilities, but they are carrying out their struggle consciously. In other words, they know what they are doing for the PKK, for the people, for humanity. If they were not conscious, if there was no strong will and strong comrades, a strong struggle would not have been waged. No one could live in those areas even for a day.
Today, the guerrillas have been putting up a relentless resistance for more than 4 months. Rêber Apo’s philosophy and ideology are the basis of their heroic resistance in those impossibilities. The guerrilla heroically fulfills its duty. What is required of everyone is to understand the struggle of the guerrilla under those conditions and to fulfill their duty on this basis. We know how the guerrillas wage war against impossibilities. That’s why we think about how we can be worthy of those friends and how we can make the struggle bigger. Other than that, we have no other purpose. No matter what we do for those friends, we can’t pay our debt. Because they fulfill a historical duty for us, for our people, for humanity.
If the guerrillas are resisting heroically under those conditions, we need to fight more with that spirit and will outside. We have to be worthy of those friends. Friends should know that no matter what happens, we will pay our debt to them and we will fight on this basis. Friends should know this too, no matter how much propaganda the enemy makes, he has lost against the guerrilla and will lose even more. On this basis, I once again congratulate the YJA Star and HPG guerrillas and express my gratitude.
After the NATO meeting, the Erdogan-Putin meeting took place. Immediately after, attacks against Kurds increased. How do you interpret these talks and the plans and policies of the sovereign powers?
New members were accepted at the NATO meeting held in Spain. They fulfilled the demands of the Turkish state for the admission of these members. What are the demands of the Turkish state? NATO’s aid to Turkey was their support for the war they waged against the PKK, their non-opposition, and their demand for weapons. In other words, no matter what the Turkish state does, no one should oppose it. The Turkish state does not have the strength to fight against the PKK and commit genocide. This policy of genocide was developed in Lausanne, and the Turkish state carries out this policy. If the Turkish state insists on the policy of genocide and liquidation, NATO is behind it. My call to NATO; Do not be a partner in the genocide policy of the Turkish state. They should not conduct politics over Turkey and the Kurds. The Kurds are no longer the same as before, they have made the decision for freedom and paid the price for it.
A meeting was held in Tehran. Turkey demanded that both Russia and Iran accept their demands. So what are Turkey’s demands? The liquidation of the PKK, the genocide of the Kurdish people. Especially the occupation of new places in Rojava. They want to completely abolish Rojava’s status. AKP-MHP demanded this in Tehran, but it was not accepted. But this should not mean that nothing was agreed at the meeting. Some things are accepted. Some decisions were taken on the basis of Turkey’s re-establishing relations with Syria, the Syrian regime’s coming to power in Rojava, and the exchange of intelligence. But these are not Erdogan’s demands. So he went to Sochi and met with Putin. There he wanted more from Putin. “We will stand on Northern and Eastern Syria with Putin, we will work together,” Erdogan said on his return to Turkey. This description says it all.
In Sochi, Russia obviously made some promises. They promised that they would not close the airspace, and this is seen in practice. Because they do not even listen to the air attacks of the Turkish state. There are also intelligence exchanges. That’s why the Turkish state increased its attacks on Northern and Eastern Syria after Sochi. The occupation and attacks against Northern and Eastern Syria never stopped. If Russia had not paved the way for these attacks, the Turkish state could not have attacked. The Turkish state is killing children, women and the elderly every day.
Both America and Russia are responsible for these massacres. Our people in Rojava also say this, so they do not take a step back in the face of attacks. They say, “Whatever the cost, we will not leave our lands, we will resist until the end.” That is what is true. For our people, there is no other way but resistance. But they can live with resistance. These forces have given our people nothing but massacre, exile, immigration and demographic change. Unless a change is made in the genocidal policy they developed in Lausanne, the massacres against the Kurds will continue. Our people should know this well. Our people must believe in themselves first of all. One should not expect anything from anyone.
KURDISH PEOPLE SHOULD NOT LEFT THEIR LAND
Turkey wants to establish relations with the Syrian regime, but this is not something to be comfortable with. There are huge problems. There is a government supported by the Turkish state in Idlib. Again, the Turkish state has occupied many places and set up a fake army consisting of thousands of mercenaries. How will these be? Another important point is: A female minister of Erdogan came out and said, “We consciously attracted the Syrian people to Turkey. Because we had a purpose, we brought millions of people to fulfill it. We took advantage of them, we got money from the EU, we worked cheap in Turkey and made big profits, we brought all the factories in Syria to Turkey, we formed an army from the gangs among them and use them everywhere, and now we want to resettle them in Syria. As well as to the regions of the Kurds.” He clearly said this. The EU and the US have been paying the Turkish state for refugees for years. In other words, they support Turkey’s genocide policy. They have been serving this for years.
The people and fighters of Rojava fought against ISIS and dealt a great blow to the gangs. They saved humanity from great trouble. Humanity owes it to Rojava and the Kurdish people. But the Turkish state is killing those people every day. They martyred the children of those who fought against ISIS gangs and lost their lives at school. The EU and America need to see this. In this sense, it should not give material and moral support to the Turkish state and should not be a partner in the genocide. Our people should also know that a very dirty policy is being carried out against them. They want to evacuate the villages and migrate the people. That’s why they attack the villages. No matter what the cost, no one should leave their village. If they leave, the Turkish state will achieve its goal.
Again, their cadres aim to weaken the movement by removing the administration. They are using this tactic right now. In other words, they want to weaken both the people and the military power. They want Erdogan to stay in power by murdering the Kurds . Our people should not forget this and should prepare themselves in every way. Whoever is hostile must fight against him. That is the correct one.
